Prostate drainage - Prostatitis Forum & Social Network2024-03-29T16:02:34Zhttp://prostatitis.ning.com/forum/topics/2201951:Topic:107?groupUrl=typesofprostatitis&commentId=2201951%3AComment%3A33341&groupId=2201951%3AGroup%3A42&feed=yes&xn_auth=noComplete bollocks.
I ve done…tag:prostatitis.ning.com,2012-06-24:2201951:Comment:333412012-06-24T12:46:10.153ZMichael Voulgarhttp://prostatitis.ning.com/profile/MichaelVoulgar
<p>Complete bollocks.</p>
<p>I ve done more than 300 prostate massages and combinations of at least 4 abx at the same time, no improvement.</p>
<p>At one point i was on vancomycin/daptomycin and massages to only find out that two weeks after i stopped the staph infection in my prostate got 20 times more resistant to the aforementioned drugs.</p>
<p>Before those last line "lethal" antibiotics i used 4 simultaneously for many months, prulifloxacin, moxifloxacin, vibramycin and clindamycin,…</p>
<p>Complete bollocks.</p>
<p>I ve done more than 300 prostate massages and combinations of at least 4 abx at the same time, no improvement.</p>
<p>At one point i was on vancomycin/daptomycin and massages to only find out that two weeks after i stopped the staph infection in my prostate got 20 times more resistant to the aforementioned drugs.</p>
<p>Before those last line "lethal" antibiotics i used 4 simultaneously for many months, prulifloxacin, moxifloxacin, vibramycin and clindamycin, totalling 8 pills per day, mass amounts of powerful herbs to lift prostate blood flow, i thought at days that with all this amount of prostatic fluid comming out my prostate must be shrinked to the size of an olive. Instead just a few days after stopping treatments all pains and fluid would build up.</p>
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<p>Doctors like the feliciano family exist all over, there is one in italy, in spain, in greece, many in china. They all promise the same thing 95% improvement/success rate and improvement will show just after fininshing the treatments... Guess why? Most patients come from abroad to them and they cannot go back to sue them or beat them up for all the time and money spent at their clinics.</p>
<p>Moreover one of the biggest issues in chronic prostatitis is the fact that abx makes prostatitis worse, and this is more or less a finding in almost all patients as time goes by. If you don't manage to get rid of an infection first time accounted, the resistant strains that come out of this will never be killed. Those doctors do terrible harm to uneducated patients. Abx should be used only in extreme cases, it is so multifactorial to treat this disease that urologists on their own won't ever manage to, they don't take in account patients immune status, hormonal findings, nutritional state, nothing. They just make money from selling abx and performing massages.</p>
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<p></p> Dear soso, I read about Dr So…tag:prostatitis.ning.com,2012-05-06:2201951:Comment:328372012-05-06T17:23:45.205ZRick Hallhttp://prostatitis.ning.com/profile/RickHall
<p>Dear soso, I read about Dr Songs "3D treatment" in China. Just wondered if that was the Dr who treated you there. Thanks.</p>
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<p>Dear soso, I read about Dr Songs "3D treatment" in China. Just wondered if that was the Dr who treated you there. Thanks.</p>
<p> </p> Hey can we change the format…tag:prostatitis.ning.com,2008-08-04:2201951:Comment:6402008-08-04T16:16:28.000Zsosohttp://prostatitis.ning.com/profile/soso
Hey can we change the format of this forum to be like the other one..It would be easier for people to navigate??
Hey can we change the format of this forum to be like the other one..It would be easier for people to navigate?? Dell. I think when i started…tag:prostatitis.ning.com,2008-08-04:2201951:Comment:6382008-08-04T15:55:22.000Zmikehttp://prostatitis.ning.com/profile/mike
Dell. I think when i started the drainage topic i labeled it under the wrong place. So it only comes up under types of prostatitis in another section, I am still learning how to use this board, and i don't know how to move the topic so it shows up. Ill work on it though.
Dell. I think when i started the drainage topic i labeled it under the wrong place. So it only comes up under types of prostatitis in another section, I am still learning how to use this board, and i don't know how to move the topic so it shows up. Ill work on it though. Also, just to point out, even…tag:prostatitis.ning.com,2008-08-04:2201951:Comment:6362008-08-04T15:46:32.000ZDellhttp://prostatitis.ning.com/profile/Dell
Also, just to point out, even though Dr. Shoskes wrote that email to the Dr. AEF's dad about his failed experience with prostatitc massage, it appears that Dr. Shoskes practices it today, and still has success with it (according to the success rates posted on his website).
Also, just to point out, even though Dr. Shoskes wrote that email to the Dr. AEF's dad about his failed experience with prostatitc massage, it appears that Dr. Shoskes practices it today, and still has success with it (according to the success rates posted on his website). Also, for some reason, this t…tag:prostatitis.ning.com,2008-08-04:2201951:Comment:6342008-08-04T15:42:53.000ZDellhttp://prostatitis.ning.com/profile/Dell
Also, for some reason, this topic is not showing up as a forum topic in the Forum section. Mike, do you know why?
Also, for some reason, this topic is not showing up as a forum topic in the Forum section. Mike, do you know why? This forum is great. I am gla…tag:prostatitis.ning.com,2008-08-04:2201951:Comment:6322008-08-04T15:39:43.000ZDellhttp://prostatitis.ning.com/profile/Dell
This forum is great. I am glad to see a forum where useful information is welcomed! Dr. Krongrad--Is there any chance that you would be willing to try the Manila Protocal exactly as Dr. AEF described it? It's too bad that Dr. Polacheck and Dr. AEF are not speaking any more, as I thought he was the answer to the problem of having to travel all the way to Manila to get proper treatment.
This forum is great. I am glad to see a forum where useful information is welcomed! Dr. Krongrad--Is there any chance that you would be willing to try the Manila Protocal exactly as Dr. AEF described it? It's too bad that Dr. Polacheck and Dr. AEF are not speaking any more, as I thought he was the answer to the problem of having to travel all the way to Manila to get proper treatment. Hi again Dr. Krongrad
Please…tag:prostatitis.ning.com,2008-08-03:2201951:Comment:6012008-08-03T13:06:24.000ZAntonio E. Feliciano,Jr.MDhttp://prostatitis.ning.com/profile/AntonioEFelicianojr
Hi again Dr. Krongrad<br />
Please Read Through:<br />
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questions:<br />
1) What is the protocol itself? How does one standardize the actual massage? Time? Technique? Frequency?<br />
The protocol consist of repetitive prostatic drainage(RPD) monitored leukocyte count (MLC) and use of Target specific antimicrobials (TSA)The main objective of the protocol is to clear the impacted prostatic gland of inflammatory debri, release impacted organism for identification, and to allow selected antimicrobials to reach the…
Hi again Dr. Krongrad<br />
Please Read Through:<br />
<br />
questions:<br />
1) What is the protocol itself? How does one standardize the actual massage? Time? Technique? Frequency?<br />
The protocol consist of repetitive prostatic drainage(RPD) monitored leukocyte count (MLC) and use of Target specific antimicrobials (TSA)The main objective of the protocol is to clear the impacted prostatic gland of inflammatory debri, release impacted organism for identification, and to allow selected antimicrobials to reach the pathogen and to monitor wbc count for diagnosis, treatment and to determine a test for cure.<br />
The protocol has 2 phases:<br />
1. Diagnostic: Consist of diagnostic repetitive prostatic drainage (RPD). This is done on a daily basis where the wbc of the expressed prostatic secretion (EPS) is monitored via wet mount. Usually the initial counts are within normal limits. On the average it will take 4-5 consecutive drainage until a peak of wbc count is appreciated. It can be presumed that the glands have been unclogged. This is the best time to collect EPS for comprehensive microbiologic examinations. An ideal specimen is about 10 drops or 0.5cc of EPS, placed in a microtube.<br />
2. Therapeutic: Consist of RPD done every 2 days never less. This is needed to clear the impacted glands of debri and to release the organism so that the chosen antimicrobilials can reach the pathogen. This also permits us to an monitor the respond to treatment usually we will see an erratic but a downward trend in wbc counts. (wet mount is used each time)<br />
On the average the treatment respond for a cure is as early as 12 days to as late of 32 days. Anything beyond this clinical horizon tells us that something is wrong with the protocol. (the clinical horizon may need more explanation)<br />
Standardized drainage and technique. I can describe this in another time if required. In general it is not vigorous, not painful and between 4-10 drops even more of EPS is extracted each time. Wet mount is done and read each time. (Almost impossible to do if you do not have a microscope in your examination room)<br />
Time:<br />
Diagnostic: daily for 4-5 days<br />
Therapeutic: 6-16 times done every other day never less otherwise the glands may obstruct, therefore antimicrobials will not reach the pathogen.<br />
2) Is the protocol part massage and part antibiotics? That is what I understood from the paper.<br />
RPD is done with the TSM to release the inflammatory debri, so that the TSM can reach the pathogen. This also permits us to monitor the wbc each time.<br />
I did not mention about the history taking, physical examination specimen extraction and evaluation finally patient education and counseling. So the average time our team spends on a patient the first visit is around 110-180 minutes while the follow up takes 35-85 minutes. The team comprises of 3 physicians, 3 medical technologist 1 acting as a receptionist. I forgot to mention 1 runner.<br />
The protocol was never duplicated, because I never supervised any clinic in the US to insure that the same protocol was used.<br />
I hope I was able to make clear some points.<br />
Regards<br />
AEF<br />
Thank you. I would like to know how one…tag:prostatitis.ning.com,2008-08-02:2201951:Comment:5812008-08-02T14:43:09.000ZArnon Krongrad, MDhttp://prostatitis.ning.com/profile/krongrad
I would like to know how one might standardize the Manila Protocol, be it the original or the revised. What is the technique exactly? How frequently is it applied? For how long? Is it done with or without antibiotics? If with, which ones and at which doses?<br />
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For now, I am less interested in the clinical outcomes with which it is associated than with <i><b>what it is</b></i>.
I would like to know how one might standardize the Manila Protocol, be it the original or the revised. What is the technique exactly? How frequently is it applied? For how long? Is it done with or without antibiotics? If with, which ones and at which doses?<br />
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For now, I am less interested in the clinical outcomes with which it is associated than with <i><b>what it is</b></i>. Dr. Krongrad,
Thank you, I wi…tag:prostatitis.ning.com,2008-08-02:2201951:Comment:5732008-08-02T06:49:32.000ZAntonio E. Feliciano,Jr.MDhttp://prostatitis.ning.com/profile/AntonioEFelicianojr
Dr. Krongrad,<br />
Thank you, I will send you the published study of the repetitive Porstatic Drainage in pdf. I could also write in this forum the revised or the improved version of the protocol.<br />
Regrads<br />
AEF
Dr. Krongrad,<br />
Thank you, I will send you the published study of the repetitive Porstatic Drainage in pdf. I could also write in this forum the revised or the improved version of the protocol.<br />
Regrads<br />
AEF