TURP is a DISASTER Only Removing the Prostate Works

[Steven Winter]

I want to thank Dr. Krongrad for his work. It appears his work may have given me my life back.
Like all the horror stories I went years with pain and infection to the point where I could not travel or enjoy anything. I have a spinal cord injury so I have some more unique issues but the pain and fevers are debilitating.
I had a TURP done four months ago and it made the pain higher and the infection more severe.
My insurance company would not pay for me to go out of state so my doctor in Arizona removed my prostate last Monday. I am having a rougher recovery because of the wheelchair issues but my pain is 100 percent gone. I am no aiting to see once I go off the post surgery antibiotics to see if the infections go away.
Other than some fatigue and some uncomfortable spasms I have not felt this good in ten years.
Even though Dr. krongrad did not perform the surgery it was only because of his work did my insurance company and doctor agree to perform it. I am quoting the famous IKE,"FREE AT LAST"
I have been in the medical business for over twenty five years. The only cure right now for Chronic Proatatitis is removal of the prostate.
Steve

[jeffos]

It is great to hear such good news!

How long have you been suffering of this condition?

I wish you a fast recovery.

[Nik]

Congratulations Steve and thanks for your post. I wish you a speedy recovery and a better life now without pain. God bless Dr Krongrad & the very few other prostate surgeons in the world who are brave enough to follow him through "THE HOLE IN THE FENCE".

[Mark]

Oh wow, It's good to know that other doctors are starting to notice Dr. Krongrad's work. The only problem I see with this is having an inexperienced surgeon perform it, making the pain ever worse.

It looks like your doctor was one of the few skilled ones.

I wish you a fast recovery as well.

[Steven Winter]

The only discomfort I have is from the surgery.While I am excited I probably over did my activities. On the recovery time is it normal to have some discomfort. My first bowel movement caused some discomfort. It scares you for a second to even have a little pain but it goes away. How long until you can go full go when it comes to activities? is it normal to be a little eak the first week or two?

Nik said:

Congratulations Steve and thanks for your post. I wish you a speedy recovery and a better life now without pain. God bless Dr Krongrad & the very few other prostate surgeons in the world who are brave enough to follow him through "THE HOLE IN THE FENCE".

[Steven Winter]

I know guys are busy with their lives but if any that had the surgery had time to call me, I would appreciate it . I just wanted to hear from a patient the time table and recovery from the surgery itself. My number is 480-206-1720. You get so excited that your pain is gone that any relapse of discomfort you get worried. I do know the chronic severe pain is gone .The next step is after I finish the post op antibiotics will I get the infection symptoms after two or three days. In general besides some discomforts of the surgery I have never felt better. With my Spinal Cord Injury I do not have full feeling so when I do have a discomfort I just sweat and it is hard to identify .

[Nik]

You have just had MAJOR surgery Steve. You will have some pain and discomfort for a while yet but from what I have read (A lot) this will fade over time. As a general rule, you should take it easy for at least a month but everybody is different and some may take longer some less time.
I hope your fever goes away after the antibiotics. I seem to remember David Radford had regular fevers that went after his surgery.
If its any consolation, every bowel movement causes me hours of discomfort with my prostatitis. You have a large healing site mm away from your rectum-its not surprising at all.

Keep positive

Good healing.

[Steven Winter]

Thanks Nick. It seems like all of the discomfort is from the surgery. I see the doctor Thursday to get the staples out. The great news again is the severe prostate pain is gone. Since we all went through this nightmare for so long any, little pain or discomfort can be temporarily haunting.
I may have to ask the doctor for something to help me sleep. It is not because of pain but from abundant energy from getting the infected organ out of my body. If I let my body do what my mind wants it might set back the healing. We are all pioneers and as always the pioneers take all the arrows. The lesson we need to get out there is do not wait this long and in my case no TURPS. It made it harder for the doctor to remove and caused me months of agony.
Another bit of good news for the guys in the future my insurance covered the surgery for prostatitis. I told them if they could find an alternative I am all ears. They could not. This should ultimately be the patients choice.We are the ones who HAD to live with the pain.

Steve

Nik said:

You have just had MAJOR surgery Steve. You will have some pain and discomfort for a while yet but from what I have read (A lot) this will fade over time. As a general rule, you should take it easy for at least a month but everybody is different and some may take longer some less time.
I hope your fever goes away after the antibiotics. I seem to remember David Radford had regular fevers that went after his surgery.
If its any consolation, every bowel movement causes me hours of discomfort with my prostatitis. You have a large healing site mm away from your rectum-its not surprising at all.

Keep positive

Good healing.

[Nik]

This guy's story rings so true with others who have failed partial prostate surgery.

http://www.prostatitis.org/iwfsugery.html

[Arnon Krongrad, MD]

We should perhaps take a step back and examine:

1) "Radical TURP" was actually described in this 1982 study. It was shown to be of partial therapeutic effect. I don't have access to original paper so cannot examine the study methods and better determine validity. Also, since the CPSI had not yet been developed, we cannot make direct comparisons to today's measures. Not sure if effect was more or less than what we are seeing with the treatments we are discussing today. In any event, the point is that one cannot categorically reject "radical TURP" as the patient recommends. The 1982 study suggests it may be of some value in some patients, even as we cannot quantify this.

2) Clearly partial prostatectomy is in some cases not therapeutic. The most vivid example of this happened with Merlin, who had a TURP and then an open partial prostatectomy, which did nothing for him. Merlin did get relief with an LRP. Click here to read his account. Other patients who failed various partial procedures, including laser and incisions, have gained relief from TURP.

[Arnon Krongrad, MD]

Nik, have a look also at this comment by Robert. He also had had 2 ineffective prostate operations but then found relief with LRP. fyi. Arnon

[Nik]

I think we will see a lot more of this. Ike, Robert, Merlin, Steve & the anecdotal guy in my link above. Chris Eden also tells me has had very little success with partial prostate surgery for chronic prostatitis. It would indicate that the pain is coming from the outside of the prostate and/or seminal vesicles. In fact I have found many anecdotal examples on various forums saying how TURP made prostatitis worse.

This morning I had to lie down for 2 hours after emptying my bowels (with tramadol). I dread every day when I have to answer the call of nature. Its lucky I don't have a job, I would never be able to hold it down in this condition....!!!